AI, SEO, and Modern Learning: Building Smarter Businesses and Raising Future Innovators with Andrew Ansley (Part 2)

In this episode of The Simple and Smart SEO Show, Crystal Waddell sits down with AI and SEO expert Andrew Ansley to discuss the intersection of artificial intelligence, SEO strategies, entrepreneurship, and modern parenting. 

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• How to leverage AI tools (like ChatGPT and Claude) to organize your business and creative projects.
• The critical skills kids need for the future—and how parents and educators can support them using AI.
• Why traditional education is broken and how AI can help every child learn in a personalized way.

📚 Resources & Mentions:

• 🛠️ Crystal's SEO Starter Guide → [coming soon!]
• 📦 The Sustainable Visibility System → [coming soon]
• 🎙️ Listen on Apple Podcasts / Spotify 
• 💬 Connect with Andrew Ansley → Linkedin

🙌🏽 Listener Action Steps:

1. Subscribe to the show for weekly SEO strategy & visibility tips!
2. Try organizing one of your business or creative projects using a new AI tool (like Claude, ChatGPT, or Jasper)—see if folders, projects, or custom prompts help streamline your workflow.
3. Reflect on your own learning style or your child’s learning style. How can you use AI to make education or skill-building more personalized and engaging in your home or business?

✨ Episode Highlights & Quotes:

• “If you’re a parent and you have an inquisitive kid, learning how to get your kid to use AI to answer their questions in a safe way is going to be amazing.” — Andrew Ansley
• “We are still teaching our kids the same way we did 50 years ago. But the future is not in a box.” — Crystal Waddell

👩🏽‍💻 About Me:

Hi, I’m Crystal Waddell — SEO educator, Shopify seller, and visibility strategist for creative entrepreneurs. On this channel and podcast, I share practical, empowering tools to help you grow sustainably, show up confidently, and build a business that works for you.

Learn more at www.simpleandsmartseo.com

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Video Format
• 1:31 Journey with GPT Versions
• 2:39 Differences Between GPT-4 and GPT-4 Pro
• 4:00 Organizing AI Projects
• 6:22 Practical Tips for Staying Organized
• 8:05 [Ad] Digital Disruption with Geoff Nielson
• 8:42 (Cont.) Practical Tips for Staying Organized
• 8:42 (Cont.) Practical Tips for Staying Organized
• 9:48 SEO Journey and Early Challenges
• 14:31 Philosophy and Early Education
• 16:28 Building Passion into Business
• 17:17 The Role of AI in Modern Learning
• 17:36 AI as a Tool for Kids
• 18:17 Challenges in Modern Education
• 19:12 The Future of Education
• 20:51 Educational Theory and AI
• 22:12 The Importance of Holistic Learning

Transcript

[00:00:00] Andrew Ansley: ​[00:00:00] it gets amazing when you start to see these outputs.

And the quality. And you start to actually get what you want.

My gosh, it's so cool. You're like, what else can I do?

[00:00:09] Crystal Waddell: Welcome to the Simple and Smart SEO show podcast, where we talk all things brand building SEO.

Helping you connect with your audience, elevate your visibility and grow your business. 

I'm your host, Crystal Waddell, here to bridge the gap between SEO strategy and real world business success. By bringing you insights, stories, and conversations from the SEO community and beyond. 

Whether you're an entrepreneur, marketer, or SEO enthusiast, this is your place to learn, share, and build a brand that stands out. 

So grab a coffee or your favorite tea. And let's dive into Smarter SEO for your business.

[00:00:41] Crystal Waddell: I was an early adopter of Jasper.

And when I was learning Jasper, I was also shifting into marketing.

And learning more about how to market my own business.

Because I was trying to move my Etsy shop. From Etsy to Shopify.

And I was learning about these marketing formulas.

Like problem, agitate, [00:01:00] solution.

And I was like oh, that makes a lot of sense.

To learn that there are all of these frameworks.

Not have been exposed to it.

Then, I felt very oh my gosh, cutting edge.

Other people hadn't heard about it either.

But now with Claude and chat GPT Pro.

Like I had seen the Pro option. I didn't even know what that was.

It just I just noticed it this last week.

So what's the difference between that and the regular?

[00:01:24] Andrew Ansley: Oh, okay. So the difference is every response takes about two minutes.

So here is my journey, this will help explain it. 

[00:01:31] Journey with GPT Versions

[00:01:31] Andrew Ansley: I was using GPT two.

I didn't use it directly.

But I used it with tools. Precursors to Jasper.

And there was a tool called Article Forge.

That was the first kind of version of me using ai.

I couldn't really do much other than like spammy stuff. I wouldn't wanna show my mom or my family that website 'cause it is ugly as all get out.

GPT-3 came out. And I realized, wow, I'm just gonna be, become like a prompt engineer.

So I remember December, 2022.

I told my wife, [00:02:00] I am just going to be in front of my computer for this whole year. I'm sorry. But like this is the future.

This is like the equivalent of Google coming out and me knowing ahead of time. That this is the thing.

So that's how I felt.

She said, all right. If you think so.

And so GPT-3, here's what I noticed.

There was a lot of things you could do that was pretty cool.

But ultimately it just fell short and it had big limitations. GPT-4 came out.

I noticed that give it enough time where I'm hitting my head against the wall. I could solve I wanna say 90% of my use cases.

But ultimately it's still, it was impossible to actually solve some things.

[00:02:39] Differences Between GPT-4 and GPT-4 Pro

[00:02:39] Andrew Ansley: I would say that the oh one and O one pro is, there's nothing it can't solve. Truly.

Now, you still have the hit your head against the wall.

But now it actually breaks down every wall.

Once you've understood prompt engineering. I don't think oh one pro is good for anybody that is not a power user.

You need to know [00:03:00] prompt chains.

Which is... I have a whole library of prompts. I have probably a hundred different prompts for different situations.

And then some of those prompts have series of prompts within them.

You need to have that kind of knowledge if you're gonna make use of this.

Otherwise, the $20 version is all you need.

It's so stupid expensive.

Even at $200 and with my skillset, I said.

It's not worth it. So for me, I wouldn't recommend it. It is super cool. If you're a coder, you can solve any coding problem.

It's really cool. I'm nerding out over it. Very awesome.

The difference is that it, you can actually click on it as it's thinking. And you can see how it's thinking about it.

So it doesn't respond immediately. It goes, yeah, I'll map this out. And then, oh, I need to consider this.

Oh yeah I'll do this. So instead of GPT-4 oh where, hey, write an email and it goes, yep, la da.

It doesn't do that.

[00:03:46] Crystal Waddell: Ooh.

So I do think that's pretty cool. I'm definitely not a power user.

But the idea of being able to watch how it thinks.

[00:03:52] Andrew Ansley: It's cool.

[00:03:53] Crystal Waddell: Is, yeah. That's very interesting to me.

Okay. So back to more of a practical question about chat GPT and that [00:04:00] how you use it. 

[00:04:00] Organizing AI Projects

[00:04:00] Crystal Waddell: Yeah. How do you stay organized?

Because before these folders came out. I don't know about you, but my ChatGPT looked like my Canva and that is not 

Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Same. 

Do you have any tips for keeping that organized?

[00:04:12] Andrew Ansley: Yeah. Oh man. Now you have projects.

Here's how I organize things. So I'll show Claude and then I'll show, Chat GPT.

So inside of Claude on the desktop, you have projects. So I can just go here and look at all of my projects. And I could add more projects.

But in here, let's do a personal brand.

So now all of my workflows, instead of just that like giant, string.

You're now compartmentalizing it. So in my personal brand now, it still has that.

But ultimately each conversation is I don't really need to, I.

Maintain or remember that old conversation anymore.

Because all of that, all of its context is really set up in its project knowledge.

So things have changed.

I used to need to find [00:05:00] those old conversations 'cause I would continue to use them.

And be like, all right, this one's kind of trained on, what to do for this specific task.

You don't need that anymore. Just hit add content, add text, and you could train it right here and then it will always have it.

And you could do tons of stuff. So that's what, how I stay organized now and now I used to have a ton of different prompts, even.

Of okay, even if it has all of this here, how do I, it might have access to 50 prompts.

How do I remember which prompts to use and to invoke that?

Here I can just create and edit a style. So now these represent prompts almost.

So this is my semantic SEO.

This is how to do, if I wanna list educational style posts for social media.

A lead magnet post. Contrarian post.

If I just wanna write a hook for a YouTube video or for a social post.

VSL webinars, ad copy.

My email copy. So you can start to see like all of it is here.

So I'll show you with a hook master just what it looks like.

You can do options. I can edit style and it just looks like this.

So I've labeled it [00:06:00] and then I've got my steps here, and that's all there is to it.

You can do all sorts of stuff.

So that's how I stay organized here.

The Chat GPT one is. Now my folders are gone 'cause I'm no longer paying for it.

I need to actually change the subscription.

I had folders, but here it's just a mess. Like literally there's so many things in here.

[00:06:19] Crystal Waddell: Gonna say that looks familiar.

[00:06:20] Andrew Ansley: Yeah, this is bad. 

[00:06:22] Practical Tips for Staying Organized

[00:06:22] Andrew Ansley: the best way to probably stay organized on this one, is make your own custom GPT.

Once again, Claude is a better version of this. But if you wanna stick with Chat GPT, totally understand. I love the tool still and there's some things I will forever use this tool for.

Like the speaking thing, this is amazing.

I now don't type. I'll just like, transcribe my voice.

And then I'll take that transcription and then I'll give it to Claude, even.

Like I'm always transcribing in here. I love their walkie talkie thing. And like on the mobile app, you can even live, show your camera.

Or I can show up my screen and then just ask it questions.

And super cool. So ChatGPT has some awesome features.

But in here, if you just make your own [00:07:00] GPT, that's the other way to, to, I think, stay organized.

Otherwise, I'm just as messy as you. The problem is these conversations disappear after a month.

And unless you keep reusing them.

So I've lost some really important conversations that I wanted to keep using.

So I really recommend paying for the $20. Setting up projects, and then you'll have folders. And it maintains that much longer.

And if you watch the 12 Days of Christmas that, OpenAI did.

I love one of the use cases. 'Cause it actually touches everyone's life.

The guy showed himself uploading his refrigerator like manual.

All of his home manuals. Here's the garage manual. Here's how to operate the ring device. Here's my car.

All of it's in like this home folder.

And then you could store things like, Hey.

I last changed the filter on December 6th.

And then maybe you're like four months later, you go, when do I need to change the filter? Today is this date.

It will literally remember, tell you, it'll tell you how to do it. It'll pull all that stuff [00:08:00] up.

So I think that's like a, an incredible way to stay organized.

Is using projects and uploading some info.

[00:08:05] Crystal Waddell: Yeah. That's awesome. I definitely would need a reminder for my filters. It's not a terrible idea at all.

It's a very good one. Very helpful.

[00:08:12] Andrew Ansley: Yep.

[00:08:12] Crystal Waddell: I do like the folders, but I hadn't been using the folder.

Up until they came out. And now I'm just trying to go back through and reorganize.

And again, it reminds me of trying to do the same thing in Canva.

When you've created all sorts of different graphics in different ways and it's ah, how does this go together?

[00:08:27] Andrew Ansley: Do you have your brand thing wr written out in Canva?

[00:08:30] Crystal Waddell: Yes.

The brand with the fonts and all that type of stuff?

Yeah.

[00:08:33] Andrew Ansley: As long as you got that.

[00:08:34] Crystal Waddell: Yeah. So now you don't have to at least go look for the hex codes and all that type of stuff.

[00:08:39] Andrew Ansley: Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's so important for sure.

[00:08:41] Crystal Waddell: And I like the one click that they have where you can just change a template. Like all of the colors in there. Yeah. That's also very helpful.

[00:08:47] Andrew Ansley: Yeah. I love that too. It's so nice. Yeah.

Technology has made things so much easier. Where I'm just astounded.

It's so fun.

[00:08:54] Crystal Waddell: It's like, how do people used to do their jobs?

[00:08:56] Andrew Ansley: You needed a big team.

[00:08:57] Crystal Waddell: And now the fact that you said that there could be a [00:09:00] one person team that scales to a billion dollar business.

That's just incredible. It's inspiring. It's very encouraging.

But I do wanna back up and talk about SEO a little bit.

Because obviously this is the simple and smart SEO show.

[00:09:12] SEO Journey and Early Challenges

[00:09:12] Crystal Waddell: But how did you get into SEO?

I could see your love affair with ai, but how did it start with SEO?

And then how did it lead you into this world of automations and ai.

[00:09:23] Andrew Ansley: I was training to be a pastor.

And then I, man I was a salesperson. I went to school. It took me seven years to graduate off and on.

I'd go in and outta sales jobs.

Not because I hated it or anything.

It was just that I knew I didn't wanna stay in sales.

I knew I wanted something else.

And ultimately I I just couldn't figure my life out.

So I ended up pivoting. I'm not gonna get lost in all the reasons why I'm not a pastor now.

But I ended up pivoting and it left me in this weird spot.

And I had to figure out something. So my dad's an entrepreneur and he is really good at sales.

But what I noticed is he sucks at [00:10:00] marketing. Absolutely terrible.

But it doesn't matter 'cause he could still ice to Eskimos.

But in this new world, marketing is really important.

'Cause everything is digital now.

So it used to be just sales.

But even salespeople now. You need to understand LinkedIn sales navigator.

You need to understand how to use Apollo. Or maybe Clay.

Or there's all these different tools that are like sales enablement.

Email tools. It's just getting more important.

So I decided, all right I'll look at marketing.

So then I listened to 200 episodes in a row of the Tim Ferriss podcast.

Which isn't super aligned with marketing.

But I knew it was aligned with business and entrepreneurship. And

that for those that don't know, that is 600 hours of content just about.

And I just would, that's all I did. I just became a machine where I was just doing that. I was a bartender.

And then I switched where I basically took a pay cut where what I needed was more time.

I needed to make just enough money, where I could work in a job that I could learn and figure out what I wanted. But at least [00:11:00] be like close to what I wanted.

So I became a technology strategist.

And my whole sales pitch to the guy was, look, I will, I'm an amazing researcher. I paid for my first year of college by writing other people's papers.

And I would guarantee an A and all you have to do is pay me 50 bucks. It's just been easy for me to write. I'm really good at it.

I used to write poetry and enter competitions. I studied seven years of Latin.

So like, language vocabulary, writing, that kind of stuff is, I knew.

That's my my big powerhouse skill that I had.

Okay, what can leverage that skill? I just literally started Googling things.

And then I said, what can I do that costs no money?

And then I was like, all I found SEO.

In my city, I was like Nashville, SEO agency. I called every single agency. No one answered my call. Then I switched it to freelancer.

And basically, I filled out their forms.

And I called them and I said, I will offer you 50 bucks. And I'll buy your lunch.

Please just sit down with me. Because I need to get started in this industry.

And I need to talk to somebody. Someone accepted. [00:12:00] And his name's Jeremy. Really nice guy.

And that's what kind of started it.

After we talked, we really got along. We both loved Japan. We liked anime. We're super nerds.

He likes SEO.

And I just got involved. And what ended up happening is I said, I'll do work for free.

And then I switched it to, if I bring in the lead, can I get 50%?

I'll do all the work, but I just, I don't wanna bring in a lead, and then I'm not able to actually do what I promised them.

So having him as my backup of I will only use you if I can't do it.

It gave me the confidence to be like, all right.

I got somebody.

And I recommend that for anyone getting started. If you have somebody where just work for free which is there's so many people that will do that. And after you work for free, maybe try to bring in some leads.

Family, friends. That kind of thing.

If you truly believe in the person you're working with.

And that's how you can start your career.

And after that, it was just a matter of chance, luck.

Blessings from God of, hey, this, the guy that was mentoring me [00:13:00] got hired by a company.

He brought me with him.

And it just so happened that company was a big SaaS company that competed with Ahrefs and Moz and all these other companies.

And, yeah.

It just kicked everything off for me.

So I'd say that's my journey.

And the real thing that got me to, I think where I'm at now.

Is first finding Bill Slawski.

And then what solidified Bill Slawski for me was was Koray Tuğberk Gübür.

And Koray is the guy that kind of came up a really popularized topic maps. And entity SEO.

And that's where we're at now.

I answered the question.

I will say that the SEO I did before 2022.

Is entirely different than the SEO post 2022. There's a huge shift.

So I can dig into that later if you want to, but that's my journey.

[00:13:44] Crystal Waddell: Okay. I do wanna dig into that, but I have to back up just a little bit because I remember you saying that you had been studying philosophy since you were a young child.

[00:13:55] Philosophy and Early Education

[00:13:55] Andrew Ansley: Yeah. Since preschool. Yeah. Yeah, since preschool.

[00:13:57] Crystal Waddell: Like, why? How? What [00:14:00] is that all about?

[00:14:00] Andrew Ansley: I don't know. I had a weird upbringing.

In preschool to first grade it was just Christianity. And then second grade introduced Rome and Greek philosophy.

And so much of Christianity is impacted by by Greek thought, really.

And I specifically Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, those three.

But yeah. A lot of religions were impacted by them. So I did that.

And basically it was just that, like whatever I was doing, I was just, I've always been a nerd.

I don't think that I'm necessarily smarter.

We all get good at what we wanna get good at. I wanted to consume knowledge. That's all I wanted. I just wanted to consume. So all I did was that.

My parents were racing to find schools that could basically scale with me.

Will they actually allow my son to, I know he is in second grade, but can you do fifth grade reading level?

Or will you allow him to do other things? Aside from just what you're expecting from other people?

It's such a small amount of schools that you can really choose from. So that's why I ended up doing this kind [00:15:00] of like education that I did.

And I'd say the most impactful one, the one that really sent me on my way was this guy that's like a, he runs things like a Marine.

And his brother is a Marine. And his name's Robbie Grayson.

And that man. He would just take in troubled kids. 'cause I was also troubled.

I would get into trouble all the time.

And his whole thing was he would really let you just figure it out.

So he's the kind of guy that's I'll let you break your finger, just so you can learn this thing.

Or I'm here for you. But, like very roughhousing sort of guy. It was awesome. So that set me on my way.

And that's how I got started in philosophy. And I've always been curious.

How kids ask the why? That never stops. And I still do that. It makes me a bad employee sometimes.

Cause I can't just say, sir, yes sir.

I have to know why. I don't know. I don't understand it. But yeah, I just wanna know the why of everything.

[00:15:50] Crystal Waddell: I totally get that. I resonate with that so much. 

[00:15:52] Building Passion into Business

[00:15:53] Crystal Waddell: And I think it's, I think it's very cool that you've been able to take your passion and build it into these [00:16:00] companies. And services. And consulting.

I feel like a mind like yours is so perfectly positioned for a time like now.

Because I don't know about you, but the way that large language models work. Like it makes sense to me.

You are on like a different level, but I feel like I understand the fact that like your mind was made for this.

For all of these different types of inputs and being able to synthesize that into something that makes sense.

With something that works at a speed that can stay up with you and manage your questions.

So that's what I'm hearing from you.

[00:16:32] Andrew Ansley: You made a point and it just resonated.

Where if you said mothers listen to this too, or this podcast, you have a wide array of people.

[00:16:41] The Role of AI in Modern Learning

[00:16:41] Andrew Ansley: One thing to note is if you're a parent and you have an inquisitive kid.

I think learning how to get your kid to really be able to use AI to answer these questions in a safe way, it's going to be amazing.

'Cause I wish I had this tool as a kid. It would've been insane.

It's unlimited learning as deep as you want to go.[00:17:00] 

Incredible.. Yeah. 

[00:17:00] AI as a Tool for Kids

[00:17:00] Crystal Waddell: we can stay there for just a second because I have a son who's 12.

And he's he loved the idea of Gemini. I got him a one of those phones, one of the new pixels or whatever.

He was so excited about Gemini, but he's not 18 so he can't use it. So he uses my chat, he's used it for, to ask questions for homework. Of course.

He's used it for ideation, for writing papers and all that type of stuff. Yeah.

And I'm like, Hey, even if you're reading something that you prompted it to teach you, you're still learning.

There's ways that learning is happening.

And he's also used it as a therapist.

Me too. And as a friend I use regularly. Yeah, I do too. So I thought that, but he was the one that gave me the idea for that, and he's 12.

And so I thought, wow, this is such a powerful tool. 

[00:17:41] Challenges in Modern Education

[00:17:41] Crystal Waddell: And I used to be a teacher.

So I know a lot of educators are nervous about kids using chat GPT.

Or any kind of large language model.

They're worried about the cheating.

Look at the-

[00:17:53] Andrew Ansley: they will cheat and -

[00:17:54] Crystal Waddell: yeah, they will cheat, but they're gonna cheat anyway.

But sometimes even in the cheating, they're gonna learn.[00:18:00] 

And if they're not cheating, they're definitely learning.

And so I just see so much potential there in education.

[00:18:05] Andrew Ansley: I agree. I was a teacher too for a little bit.

And like I absolutely love it. I don't know why schools are taking this position where they're so anti ai.

Because ultimately school's about training you for the world. It would be like a school taking a stance of no calculators, to do math.

Yeah. That's idiotic. That's so dumb.

AI's replacing everything. Or not replacing it is enhancing.

It will either enhance everything that exists or it will replace everything that exists, or a mixture of both. There is not an area where AI will not penetrate, period. Yeah. 

[00:18:36] The Future of Education

[00:18:36] Crystal Waddell: one of the problems in general.

Is that we are still teaching our kids the same way that we did 50 years ago.

When we were trying to train them for factories.

Like we're not encouraging their innovative thought process.

It's more of do this and fit in this box. Yeah. And if you do that, then you get a gold star.

But that's not the future. The future's not in a box. And [00:19:00] so that's one thing that's really frustrating.

And then just education in general, like pre-K, I just found this out in North Carolina.

I'm not sure if it's nationwide, but they won't teach them how to read in pre-K.

And so when you think about those educational initiatives, like No Child Left Behind.

It's of course kids are gonna be left behind!

If we're not encouraging them to read before they get to kindergarten.

And these are government funded programs.

So it's like, what are we even doing here?

So that's just I'll probably edit that part out.

But that's one of those things is driving me bonkers-

[00:19:32] Andrew Ansley: yeah.

[00:19:32] Crystal Waddell: About public education, because I'm like, this is on purpose. They are purposely trying-

[00:19:36] Andrew Ansley: agreed.

[00:19:37] Crystal Waddell: To hold these kids back.

And I'm like, why would you do that?

What is this greater sociological experiment that they're doing? That they would want that to happen?

[00:19:45] Andrew Ansley: Someone's making money. Yeah. I don't, that's the only reason I think someone wants money and power.

Yeah. But yeah I agree.

 I don't know how you're doing it with your 12-year-old, but.

What I plan on teaching for my kid is the new importance [00:20:00] is your ability to.

Understand concepts.

And then to be able to explain concepts. And then to understand how understanding even is reached.

What's the best way to explain something and what's the best way to, to understand things? Which goes into educational theory. 

[00:20:15] Educational Theory and AI

[00:20:15] Andrew Ansley: And if you can teach that, and this is actually how I created my SAAS tool.

Was I applied straight up, I applied educational theory to SEO.

I even have a LinkedIn post where I share like piece by piece.

'Cause AI was made with a blend of the understanding of how the human brain works.

Mixed with educational theory. That's all.

Which is incredible. It gives you the secret.

So I think those two scales, which means, okay, it doesn't mean that you have to memorize everything anymore.

But if you read, if all right, let's say you therapists, for example.

Read a book on therapy, a good one, and then just take some notes. And once you have that, you now can give it, just understand how to translate that to give it to an ai. And now you have something that can, it's like you're talking to the author and you're [00:21:00] getting advice, not just from a generalist model, but you're getting advice from a trained, not fully trained, but you're getting really good advice.

And it helps me with my marriage all the time. 'cause I am asking it to see. Can you explain from a, like the female perspective, I'm the male in this situation. I have a wife.

I. I did this, she responded this way. Help me act as like a marital counselor and just try to get me to see things through her lens and then, okay, that sounds hard.

How do I achieve that?

And seems simple. I'll just ask those kind of questions, but I have a, I have favorite people now in each sphere.

And I just like to reference them. 

[00:21:36] The Importance of Holistic Learning

[00:21:36] Andrew Ansley: So whether it's ad copy.

Whether it's working out, whether it's, you name it, I think we should just as humans, and this is all also goes back to my education.

All of my educational institutions that I was at, they had the belief that education changed in like 1850 or 1870 with factories.

So 150 years ago.

And before, we had the Harvard Model of Education, an [00:22:00] Oxford model of Education. So that was around, they've been around for 500, 400 years.

That model was develop the human.

And the human is not just a capitalistic production machine. It is, music. It, you need to understand art because you need to be able to express yourself.

Humans need to, art is a way to balance the soul. It's a way to to like tweak things.

And then you need to understand a little bit about math. You need to understand a little bit about how to work with your hands. You need to understand how to talk.

So I would say that's how you, that's how you push a kid in the right direction is, and how to learn.

What are the components of learning?

And ultimately that comes down to deconstructing things. And that goes to Greek philosophy with Euclid .

Which is you need to find the unit.

You need to understand the whole, you have to understand the parts. So how do I use AI to deconstruct this homework assignment? And understand all the parts.

What are the components of it?

Not just what the assignment components are, but the subject matter. What makes this subject up?

And then the kids free to then explore whatever interests them. [00:23:00] Oh, that component seems interesting.

Ask whatever questions you want. Teachers don't have time for that, and they don't, A lot of 'em don't have patience.

Some of 'em don't care. So AI seems like a perfect tool for kids. Yeah. Dangerous too.

But, yeah. Everything that's good is dangerous, but you're absolutely right because I worked with special needs students and they have what's called IEPs.

But I'm like, every child in education really should have an individualized education plan.

How much more would they be engaged if they were learning about things that interested them?

And you could apply some of the pedagogy or whatever that they you need to have in place.

But combine it with elements of. Their social life or the games they play or whatever to make it engaging to them.

That part of education really excites me.

I wish that I was in a position where I could yeah. Help with that.

But seeing it from the outside school and then being a parent is actually the best position to be in because Asher and I've talked, he wants to be homeschooled, and I'm like, no, because he's an only child.

I want him to be in school just so he's around other people. I'm [00:24:00] like, he can't sit behind your computer all day. Maybe you can, I don't know. But, yeah. For right now, you probably should get out there.

But he's told me like how he would build his school. And, like what he would wanna learn. And, it's just, it's really interesting.

I feel like kids are so different now. They are maybe it's an encouragement, but there's there are programs where you can do hybrid, so it's like you go to school maybe once a week or twice a week.

I forget what those are called, but I went to that for two years and that was a good blend.

My parents were trying to experiment with homeschool, but it was like half homeschool, half schooling. Then I had tons of friends that were full homeschooled.

But then they had all of these programs that they were a part of.

So it was important that they had hobbies. So they were on sports teams, they were on like a debate team.

If you decide to, then you can find good umbrella programs and other ways to get, with people.

Yeah. But that is important. You gotta be with people.

Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. You're so neat, Andrew. This is such a cool conversation.